Saturday, 22 December 2007

Conspiracy? The CIA and the Nazis and Iraqi 'Translators'

History Channel Conspiraloonacy Extreme Version. Includes REAL™ TRUE™ FACTS™.



Of course, this sort of thing wouldn't happen today, right under our noses. No, siree. Oppose the illegal invasion of Iraq by the coalition of the killing, then support the war criminals that helped kill over a million of their countryfolk.



It's logic, Jim, but not as we know it.

: The Antagonist : 04:53

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7 comments:

paul said...

Much as I hate to be the voice of reason, comparing those poor bastards to the more creative and productive members of the reich is a little strong for me. The desperation in iraq must be unimaginable.

During an occupation collaborators are killed, that's a fact, but it's not like these guys have been building weapons of mass destruction.

However, the singling out of these people for our particular sympathy (and consciences) is desperate in an entirely unforgivable way.

The thunder of people patting each other on the back, when we let in a hundred or so, will be deafening.

What about our newly trained police, newly armed militias, newly appointed ministers? Why don't we take them all if we're so keen on taking them to our heaving, collective bosom?

That would, of course, be beyond the pale. We want to feel good about something, that's all.

<crazed rant over/>

22 December 2007 at 11:00
Stef said...

The British Army has a long and distinguished history of signing up locals to do its dirty work in colonial wars and then turning them over to their fellow countrymen when they've served their purpose

So why should Iraq be any different?

and, besides, nobody likes a snitch

22 December 2007 at 13:04
The Antagonist said...

Paul,

While the Nazi comparison may be a little strong, what has been perpetrated in Iraq and Afghanistan fits the definitions of both 'genocide' and 'holocaust'. Just because it's 'shock and awe' and not shower-ovens in the 'Crusade for Freedom'.... oh no.... it's not called that any more, too many historical overtones I guess.... I meant 'Operation Enduring Freedom'.... oh, wait, it's not called that any more either because endure also means 'suffer'....

Just because it's 'shock and awe' and not shower-ovens in the 'War on Terror' doesn't and shouldn't make the heinous war crimes being committed any more palatable.

Because "we don't do body counts" I would hazard a guess that the figure of a million massacres in Iraq is a little on the conservative side and that the actual figure is nearer double -- if not more -- than that and that, in reality, there's really not very much to feel good about, whatever way it's dressed up, not even war crime absolving post-it notes, as nicely summed up by, "the singling out of these people for our particular sympathy (and consciences) is desperate in an entirely unforgivable way."

War crimes are war crimes and war criminals are war criminals irrespective of their crimes' relativity to previous examples. That includes former and current Prime Ministers and Presidents and all their complicit and willing servants as much as it does Iraqi 'translators'.

<crazed rant over/>

24 December 2007 at 10:48
The Antagonist said...

Still, the film is good and, amazingly enough, pulls it all together with reference to Iraq at the end which, irrelevantly, I hadn't seen at the time I posted the video.

24 December 2007 at 10:49
Stef said...

Personally, my line of thinking on this subject is on the same track as Paul's analysis

Whilst I've no doubt that some of those 'translators' assisted in the interrogation of insurgents/ terrorists/ freedom fighters it's also likely some of those people, like our own soldiers or police, thought they were doing the right thing and didn't engage in anything dishonourable

The clue is in the fact that there is a campaign to take these people out at all. You can be 100% sure that the real top-level Quisling motherfuckers are being well-looked after and don't need any help from a handful of middle-class English bloggers

Anyway, however you look at the issue, the sheer poxiness of the campaign is such that you can reach the same conclusions about it via numerous different lines of thought. The entire idea is either very poorly thought out or extremely cynical, probably a bit of both

And it was an interesting film

No alien crop circles though

24 December 2007 at 12:24
The Antagonist said...

Stef said...

Whilst I've no doubt that some of those 'translators' assisted in the interrogation of insurgents/ terrorists/ freedom fighters it's also likely some of those people, like our own soldiers or police, thought they were doing the right thing and didn't engage in anything dishonourable

Can any person who betrays his or her own country by aiding an invading enemy -- and in the case of Iraq, lest we forget, an invading enemy who invaded on the basis of a poorly manufactured tissue of a lies -- ever, honestly, claim not to have done anything dishonourable?

24 December 2007 at 12:36
Stef said...

Not many, I'll give you that

24 December 2007 at 15:42

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