Saturday, 13 October 2007

Reach for the Stars!! Climb Every Mountain Higher!

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A fellow Truth™ Seeker writes...


"During a recent visit to the Common Purpose website my eye was drawn immediately to their rather peculiar logo, which very much reminded me of an equally peculiar feature of the new £20 note issued only few weeks ago. Both images are reproduced below and raise a number of intriguing questions..."


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38 comments:

J.P. Stonehouse said...

Oh...I get it...it's just a coincidence that the Common Purpose logo employs the Star of David and the jewel associated with the 33rd Degree of Scottish Rite Freemasonry! I suppose they just copied and pasted the logo from a clip-art CD found in the bottom of a bargain bin in Woolworths? And I simply imagined seeing both the above symbols on the new £20 note! And it's OK for our currency to feature Masonic symbols because we must at all costs take Freemasonry's own definition of itself at face value! Because everyone **knows** that Freemasonry is just a sort of friendly society for like-minded brethren to share a meal or two and engage in a little charity work. And everyone just happens to **know** this even though Freemasonry is a society with secrets and does not permit members to discuss 'the Craft' with non-members?

By the same logic we MUST have invaded Iraq for the reasons given by the British and American goverments...

Perhaps you guys need to re-read and internalise your 'Conspiracy Theorist Characteristics': arrogance, leaping to conclusions, fondness for certain stock phrases...you must be referring to yourselves!

The Antagonist said...

Thanks for stopping by, J.P.

Perhaps you guys need to re-read and internalise your 'Conspiracy Theorist Characteristics': arrogance, leaping to conclusions, fondness for certain stock phrases...you must be referring to yourselves!

Ah! You've seen through our cunning use of irony!

And, by the self same logic you outline, it MUST be a Communist Conspiracy that the Monarch's home is fixed into a pyramid, complete with a Communist Conspiracy eye of Horus fountain, and that The Mall is the flagpole from which Communist Conspirators in Buck House fly their own Jolly Roger.

We'll save the inner and outer circles of The Communist Regent's Park for another time.

J.P. Stonehouse said...

And, by the self same logic you outline, it MUST be a Communist Conspiracy that the Monarch's home is fixed into a pyramid, complete with a Communist Conspiracy eye of Horus fountain, and that The Mall is the flagpole from which Communist Conspirators in Buck House fly their own Jolly Roger.

Why 'must' it? I was simply offering an analogy. To paraphrase words attributed to Freud: sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

It seems to me that in their own way some of the 'anti-conspiracists' are just as extreme as proponents of 'chem-trails' and 'multi-dimensional lizards'. How many 'coincidences' are required before an 'anti' sits up and takes notice? Two? Five? Ten? Twenty? Fifty? Or an infinite number because, in fact, some of the detractors are as close-minded as some of the conspiracists are gullible.

As for the 'communist conspiracy', I certainly use terms such as 'communist-style' and do so because, in my view, the phenomena I'm describing have a distinct and rather extreme left-wing bias. I'm reluctant to apply the term itself because it's pregnant with meaning, and by that I mean unhelpful for those who have either not read, or failed to understand, Marxist theory and assume that 'communism' is a synonym for 'USSR'. Where I have used the term I've done so only to highlight parallels between states that identify themselves, or are identified by others, as 'communist' and entities such as the EU; the point being that states such as China have moved towards a Western economic model just as the West seems hell-bent on moving closer to a 'communist' political model.

As for the Freemasons, they warrant serious study. Once familiar with Masonic imagery and philosophy you may find that you see and hear 'coincidences' on a daily basis. The real question is this: would your belief system permit you to accept that there's a hidden world beyond surface appearances? And to question the motives and agendas of these secretive groups?

The Antagonist said...

GODMA RULES KO!

As for the Freemasons, they warrant serious study. Once familiar with Masonic imagery and philosophy you may find that you see and hear 'coincidences' on a daily basis. The real question is this: would your belief system permit you to accept that there's a hidden world beyond surface appearances?

It is impossible to become a member of the Conspiraloon™ Alliance if your belief system doesn't permit you to accept such a notion. A second requirement is that one notices these apparent 'coincidences', with a third requirement being that one views the 'coincidences' in their correct historical and political context.

The Freemasons might be fruity, but it's the Fascists that must be overcome.

J.P. Stonehouse said...

It is impossible to become a member of the Conspiraloon™ Alliance if your belief system doesn't permit you to accept such a notion. A second requirement is that one notices these apparent 'coincidences', with a third requirement being that one views the 'coincidences' in their correct historical and political context.

And what exactly is the 'correct historical and political context' in which we must situate Freemasonry? I return to my original point: are we to take Freemasonry at face value?

Who determines what constitutes the 'correct historical and political context' for any given event? How will the history books define the historical and political context of, say, Iraq? As a 'mistake' or the product of a gross failure on the part of intelligence agencies? Do you subscribe to this view today or do you intend to wait until 'Great Minds' define the 'correct historical and political context' for you?

Historians and journalists share a common flaw: the tendency to regurgitate information provided by 'official' and 'authoritative' sources and call the resulting vomitus 'history' and 'news' respectively.

Tom said...

Fascists and Communists share a common flaw: mass-murdering people. But that also went on before either word was coined. Freemasonry has been around a long time and claims to go back even further. And of course none of these categories are mutually exclusive.

If you look into it, the Royal family do appear to believe they're actually the Tribe of Judah on the throne of David. So it's hardly surprising they would have the symbols on a £20 note. And yes, Freemasonry is partly about pretending to be Jewish, hence all the secrecy. After all, if you're the "chosen people" you can do what you want without fear of being wrong.

Of course it would be anti-Japhetism for me to criticise the queen. Far be it from me to leap to a conclusion. But her family was very fond of that Schicklgruber fellow.

paul said...

The real question is this: would your belief system permit you to accept that there's a hidden world beyond surface appearances? And to question the motives and agendas of these secretive groups?

Not a chance, everything is exactly as we are told, the infanticide of iraq was 'a price worth paying', we invaded iraq because it had weapons of mass destruction and the muslim hive mind is on the verge of imposing the caliphate as we speak.

Well, ask a silly question.

paul said...

Fascists and Communists share a common flaw: mass-murdering people.

I believe they share this flaw with our most ardent democratic free traders, such as our middle east envoy. The mercantilist british empire certainly did for plenty of indians.
some might say the land of the free has indulged as well

The congolese have lost maybe 3 million to our non communist and non fascist predations over the last decade

J.P. Stonehouse said...

Not a chance, everything is exactly as we are told, the infanticide of iraq was 'a price worth paying', we invaded iraq because it had weapons of mass destruction and the muslim hive mind is on the verge of imposing the caliphate as we speak.

Well, ask a silly question.


It was a rhetorical question, actually; and one directed at a specific individual.

paul said...

It was a rhetorical question, actually;

They're not exclusive.
I fear you have taken offence at stef's post, which is not intended at all, as he is genuinely fascinated by these 'coincidences' as is easily seen in his non-alliance site.

J.P. Stonehouse said...

If you look into it, the Royal family do appear to believe they're actually the Tribe of Judah on the throne of David. So it's hardly surprising they would have the symbols on a £20 note. And yes, Freemasonry is partly about pretending to be Jewish, hence all the secrecy. After all, if you're the "chosen people" you can do what you want without fear of being wrong.

One doesn't have to 'pretend' to be Jewish; anyone can convert to Judaism. If this is true - and it certainly is - then why the secrecy? Surely you're not sugesting that Masons are, as it were, 'in-the-closet' and not yet ready to declare themselves Jews?

What is Freemasonry 'about'? Well, it brings together people of 'diverse' socio-economic, cultural and religious backgrounds and 'unites' them by imposing an artificial form of harmony. This is achieved by prohibiting discussion of cultural, religious and political affairs (once in a lodge a Mason must speak only of Masonry) and, over time, replacing these diverse cultural, religious and political views with their Masonic equivalents.

Now, you may say that this is a contradiction. It's not, simply because the Masonic equivalents are identical to the doctrines of diversity and tolerance that are so widely preached today. As one progresses through the Masonic degrees one's convictions are stripped away and replaced with the 'religion' of secular fundamentalism and its associated doctrines and devices: relativism, pluralism, tolerance, diversity, and so on.

The Masonic 'god' is a prime example: the Great Architect of the Universe represents all gods, and thus no gods. The Christian and Muslim can both worship the GAOTU but not without abandoning the doctrinal differences that define their respective faiths and their identity as a Christian or Muslim. By these means opposites are reconciled and harmony is acheived, and all for the low, low cost of robbing members of the real diversity identified as the purpose for bringing them together in the first place!

It is no 'coincidence' that organisations such as Common Purpose preach exactly the same doctrine as that described above. Nor is it a coincidence that society as a whole is now awash with these same doctrines. Nor is it a 'coincidence' that legislators' attention is so firmly fixed on 'hate crimes' and the criminalisation (i.e. prohibition) of views based on moral certainties and religious convictions.

What we are seeing is an attempt to impose on the macro-social world a template that derives from, and originated in, the micro-social Masonic world. That is not to say that each and every group that espouses such views is Masonic; merely that the ideas themselves derive from, have been promoted by and owe their success to Freemasonry.

In the coming New World Order we will all be required to "receive the light", if not voluntarily then by some other contrived means, most probably delivered by 'secular' organisations such as Common Purpose, an organisation that hides its own brand of fundamentalism in the kind of jargon-laden training programmes we've all become accustomed to.

Tom said...

[i]"One doesn't have to 'pretend' to be Jewish; anyone can convert to Judaism. If this is true - and it certainly is - then why the secrecy? Surely you're not sugesting that Masons are, as it were, 'in-the-closet' and not yet ready to declare themselves Jews?"[/i]

I agree that's how it works in the real world. But why do that when you can trace an ancient bloodline, or find the Ark of the Covenant buried by some wacky ancestor? There are probably at least four or five broad groups of people competing for the same exclusive birthright. Don't you think the "British Israel" ideology might offend some in the Middle East?

All the "diversity and tolerance" in masonry is bullshit if you ask me (not that you did). They say that to polish their image but it's more about exclusivity and becoming a better "class" of person than the outsiders. Anyone can make those words mean anything you want, that's a politician's job. It doesn't mean that anyone who might be even slightly tolerant is tinged by the stench of Masonry.

[i]"As one progresses through the Masonic degrees one's convictions are stripped away and replaced with the 'religion' of secular fundamentalism and its associated doctrines and devices: relativism, pluralism, tolerance, diversity, and so on."[/i]

What makes you so sure that's the whole story if it's such a secret? Are you one of them? I don't think all those rituals are exactly secular, they're just a private religion. Who knows what they're worshipping, do they even know?

J.P. Stonehouse said...

All the "diversity and tolerance" in masonry is bullshit if you ask me (not that you did). They say that to polish their image but it's more about exclusivity and becoming a better "class" of person than the outsiders. Anyone can make those words mean anything you want, that's a politician's job. It doesn't mean that anyone who might be even slightly tolerant is tinged by the stench of Masonry.

It both is and isn't bullshit at one and the same time. Bear in mind that today's 'tolerance' has nothing whatsoever in common with the liberal understanding of the term. It is in fact the complete reversal of the liberal understanding, because it requires us to dilute our beliefs and hold our tongues.

That aside, the elitism of Freemasonry reflects its Kabbalistic and Gnostic roots: initiates progress through degrees and the true meaning of the higher degrees is kept hidden from those at lower levels. Also, in line with the Gnostic tradition, only those with the 'divine spark' are capable of 'receiving the light'. Remember that Masons are 'the sacred' and everybody else 'the profane'; this is why the fundamentals are kept hidden and 'the profane' are dragged along in Freemasonry's wake.

Who knows what they're worshipping, do they even know?

As per the above, the vast majority of Masons do not progress beyond the degrees required to attain Master Mason status. The majority, therefore, know as much as they need to know.

To fully understand what those at the higher levels know and believe requires knowledge of the Kabballah and Gnosticism, and a proper understanding of just how antagonistic these beliefs are to the main monotheistic faiths.

For example, in the Christian tradition anybody can receive salvation, simply by accepting that Christ was God-in-the-flesh. In so doing they establish a direct relationship between themselves and the divine on the basis of a free gift: their salvation is not dependent upon their own actions or good deeds.

By contrast, the God of Freemasonry, which is the God of the Kabballah and Gnosticism, is fundamentally unknowable. According to this tradition, God was not even responsible for creation (this was performed by lower level 'emanations') and exists on a plane that humans cannot even conceptualise let alone communicate or establish a direct relationship with.

In this tradition the soul is viewed as a prisoner of its corporeal form - the physical body - and it is the responsibility of each individual, or rather of those who possess the 'divine spark' (or in New Age parlance 'the Christ within'), to attain the knowledge and level of perfection required to release the soul from the material plane and return to the 'Great Light of Ain Soph', the highest-level emanation of God. In other words, WE are responsible for our own salvation; WE are gods.

As in the Christian and Judaic traditions, the imprisonment of the soul is viewed in the context of The Fall from the Garden of Eden, the difference being that Gnosticism stages The Fall on a spiritual rather than material plane and regards the pre-Fall soul as androgynous - both male and female combined - prior to its being torn apart into opposites and re-situated on the material plane, trapped in human form.

It is vital to understand the implications of these beliefs. Realisation of the doctrine of the perfectability of the soul and union of male and female requires a fundamental change in the material conditions of existence and human social relationships. In other words, one cannot attain salvation in a world characterised by division and inequality, particularly inequality between men and women and especially divisions that reflect an 'incorrect' understanding of the 'true' nature of God and thus represent an 'impediment' to salvation for those who possess the 'divine spark'.

The changes we have witnessed over the past forty or fifty years, and which are proceeding apace even as I write, are a perfect reflection of the religious dogmas and requirements of the Kabballistic and Gnostic traditions, and by definition Freemasonry. They represent the material and social conditions required for the realisation of these dogmas.

Take Feminism for example, the core belief of which is that masculinity and femininity are social constructs that must be eradicated, resulting in 'equality between the sexes'. Feminism is a dialectical process that places the masculine and feminine at odds with one another, so as to bring about a reconciliation of the two: the 're-androgynisation' of the sexes. Met any feminine women lately? Noticed how the traditional concept of masculinity is now regarded as an oppressive anachronism? Ever been encouraged to 'discover your feminine side'?

Consider also the world-wide ecumenical movement that has suddenly sprung to prominence, as if from out of nowhere. Inter-faith 'dialog' and multi-faith worship performs the same function as that outlined in my previous post. When a Christian and Muslim come together and accept that they worship the same God they undermine their faiths and lose the identity as Christians and Muslims. The Christian God has a Son named Jesus Christ and recognition of Christ's divine status is a prerequisite if one is to call oneself a Christian. Allah, however, does not have a Son and regards Jesus as merely a prophet. The Christian and Muslim cannot accept that the Christian and Muslim Gods are one and the same without abandoning their respective conceptualisations of God. In so doing, they cease to be Christian and Muslim, in the sense that Jesus and Mohammed become nothing more than 'great figures' after the fashion of Buddha, Krishna, and so on. Their Gods become all Gods, and thus no Gods.

The main point here is that the process facilitates the abandonment of the belief that their respective faiths are divinely inspired. Just as Jesus and Mohammed become just two of many great spiritual leaders, the Bible and Koran become just two of many great spiritual works coined by men and men alone. The Masonic faith simply cannot accept that it is possible to communicate with the divine, that these works represent 'divinely inspired' messages from God, or that salvation comes from God and God alone, and has embarked on a war against those that believe otherwise.

Notice that I focus almost entirely on Islam and Christianity? Gnosticism is closely related to the religions of the Orient; consequently, the polytheistic faiths are unproblematic because their 'many' gods are in fact simply different countenances or emanations of a single God. As such, they do not represent an obstacle or threat to the future 'World Religion'. Islam is more problematic, not because it isn't predicated on building an earthly kingdom but because muslim's believe that the kingdom in question should be an Islamic kingdom based on Islamic law. Christianity is regarded as an outright enemy because it believes in a spiritual rather than earthly kingdom, one that can only be established by the Second Coming rather than mere mortals.

The basic purpose of these assaults, and indeed the purpose of those driving the process, is, quite literally, to return mankind to its pre-Fall condition of harmony and balance. These people seriously believe that they are creating a new Garden of Eden, thus bringing together what God has torn asunder and, in the process, spitting in His eye. The basic philosphy is not only that God is unknowable but also that He is not required: mankind IS divine and - with the 'correct' tutelage of course - can attain a state of perfection without God. This is the fundamental, albeit unstated, aim of secular humanism, which in turn is the fundamental aim of Freemasonry.

There are, of course, many more examples. I have already referred to diversity and tolerance, which to reiterate are promulgated for the purpose of digging away at the foundations of moral certainties and cultural differences by prohibiting and criminalising 'discrimination' (literal meaning: 'the recognition of qualities and differences'), and outlined how these are but a mirror image of Masonic rules that prohibit the discussion of 'divisive' issues so as to facilitate indoctrination into the morals and dogmas of Freemasonry and replace real pluralism and diversity with uniformity of belief.

In the final analysis, there is nothing 'secular' about 'secular society'. In fact, 'secularism' is merely a device used to further the aims of religious fanatics who believe they can make it possible for the 'lion to lay down with the lamb' by obliging us all to 'beat our swords into ploughshares', the swords in question being anything opposed to an artificial 'unity', 'solidarity' and 'brotherhood'. This is what the New World Order is all about: a world in which we all get a chance to 'fulfil our potential' and, if our 'divine spark' is bright enough, re-join the 'Great Light' in the sky.

Tom said...

I'd go along with some of that analysis. I'm curious why you think that monotheistic faiths can each have their own God? Are you saying that Muslims just made their God up or do you recognise that there are different names for God?

Do you ever wonder if the Second Coming has already happened but you missed it? Watch out if it does happen, the Antichrist is meant to be turning up too.

J.P. Stonehouse said...

Just one final point before I take heed of your 'Conspiracy Theorist Characteristics' and withdraw.

If any of you are really interested in what's happening around us then the only way to understand it is to stop looking at it in secular terms. When you hear of the next law prohibiting 'hate speech' - here in the UK we have yet another on the horizon - don't think of it as a piece of secular legislation but as a religious commandment.

Just as Christians are expected to act on Jesus' mandate to 'make disciples of all nations', the people I'm describing are also possessed of an evangelical zeal. Their 'divine mission', as described above, is to create paradise right here on earth, an aim best represented by the phrase "As above, so below". The flip side to this coin is common to all fundamentalisms: the persecution of blasphemers and heretics; those who violate or refuse to acknowledge the commandments and doctrines of the faith.

Until the mid-1960s the laws of Western societies reflected their Judaeo-Christian heritage. From this point onwards they have been, and continue to be, slowly and insidiously replaced and/or amended in a manner consistent with the religious underpinnings of the society to come, so as to reflect its Masonic/Kabbalistic/Gnostic roots.

Have any of you noticed that the Kabbalah, a religious tradition hitherto notable only for the fact that it has languished in obscurity for centuries, is now being openly endorsed by major celebrities, Madonna being the leading 'star' in question. For some reason, this not-so-young lady is rather fond of being crucified on stage...I wonder why? No matter...just another coincidence...

Altogether now:

"Zephyr in the sky at night I wonder

Do my tears of mourning sink beneath the sun

She's got herself a universe gone quickly

For the call of thunder threatens everyone

And I feel like I just got home
And I feel
And I feel like I just got home
And I feel

Faster than the speeding light shes flying
Trying to remember where it all began
Shes got herself a little piece of heaven
Waiting for the time when earth shall be as one

Quicker than a ray of light
Quicker than a ray of light
Quicker than a ray of light

And I feel
Quicker than a ray of light
Then gone for
Someone else shall be there
Through the endless years

Shes got herself a universe
Shes got herself a universe
Shes got herself a universe

And I feel
And I feel
And I feel like I just got home
And I feel

Quicker than a ray of light shes flying
Quicker than a ray of light Im flying"

J.P. Stonehouse said...

I'm curious why you think that monotheistic faiths can each have their own God? Are you saying that Muslims just made their God up or do you recognise that there are different names for God?

No. In fact, the idea that the world's religions worship the same God under different names lies at the heart of all this. I believe that a person is entitled to believe what he or she wants. If this means adhering to Christian doctrine, which is at odds with the doctrines of the other faiths, then so be it.

Tolerance as conceptualised in the liberal tradition was predicated on this principle, the only limitation being the requirement not to force one's beliefs on others. As stated above, today's tolerance stands diametrically opposed to the liberal understanding of the term: we must accept, embrace and celebrate everything.

To reiterate, the defining characteristic of a Christian is not that he believes in God, or that his God is called Jehovah as opposed to Allah, but that he believes that salvation and access to the divine can only be atained through belief in Jesus Christ as the Son of God. The defining characteristic of a Muslim is quite different and fundamentally irreconcilable with that of the Christian, because the Islamic faith regards Jesus as a prophet, and one not even on a par with Mohammed.

Remove these defining characterisics of the two faiths and what you're left with is, in effect, Deism: a belief curiously similar to that of Gnosticism.

The problem here isn't God but the existence of doctrines that a) are inconsistent with Gnostic beliefs about the nature of God and b) by their practice and existence in undiluted form militate against Gnosticism's obsession with unity and harmony.

The issue here is discrimination; the recognition of qualities and differences, and the ability to differentiate, select and choose on the basis of this recognition. And how does one prevent the recognition of qualities and differences? By removing these qualities and differences from plain view in a great levelling of everyone and everything. You start by criminalising speech that draws attention to these qualities and differences in a negative way. The term 'negative' refers not only to condemnation or the expression of disapproval but also to the simple desire not to take part or belong.

These people don't really care what you call God or how you worship Him provided you accept their conceptualisation of God and put aside your own. They don't care because, in reality, their 'God' is simply a dialectical blunt instrument designed to crack the resistance of those who want to remain separate and distinct.

In my last comment I referred to Madonna's predilection for on-stage crucifixion. Why does she do this? Pissing off Christians is one reason, the other being her desire to make a statement as regards her own divinity.

David Blaine did exactly the same thing is his global 'magic trick' called, coincidentally of course, Above The Below. Blaine supposedly starved himself for 44-days (while 'the profane' below waved hamburgers at him) in a re-enactment of Jesus' 40-days of fasting and temptation in the wilderness.

David's message to the world, his little philosophical joke that so few understood and which no doubt sustained him for the duration, is that he too is divine. More so than Jesus in fact, because he managed 44 days in comparison with the latter's 40.

This is Gnosticism's core belief: the divinity of man. The means by which this 'divinity' is to be brought to fruition is the elimination of the differences and doctrines that stand opposed to it. God is irrelevant. We are God.

These people learned much from the great social experiment that was Communism. What they learned was that it is neither desirable nor necessary to actually abolish religion. Undesirable because religion and spirituality appear to be part and parcel of human nature, and unnecessary because one needs only to redefine religion in a way that neutralises it as a form of allegiance separate to, and antagonistic towards, that of your own.

jon doy said...

Hi J.P.

firstly, allow me to thank you for the time you have expended on your thought provoking comments

as a chartered member of the Conspiraloon Alliance i feel i must clarify our position somewhat: our position being that we conspiraloons do believe that freemasonry, conspiracy, and undisclosed power structures exist and should be the subject of wider education to the profane, but only in the context that there are alien oppressors from space/the future deep at the heart of them

:wink wink:

(perhaps with some holograms, and of course a bit of that Mayan 'do nothing' philosophy thrown in for good measure)

:wink becomes permanent Herbert Lom-esque tick:

the Conspiraloon characteristics were handed down to us by the anti-conspiraloons from their (what they perceive to be) on-high position,the antiloons describe their self imposed - and polarised-to-our-own-existence - world view as being exemplified in the notion that all is mere coincidence and nothing is connected

these very same people are of the opinion that it is the Conspiraloon who needs to replace reality with conspiracy theory as this is a comfort in the stead of the scary world in which no-one is in control of anything, and all is unpredictable chaos at work

this is, of course counter intuitive to say the least - it is the antiloon for whom comforting nonsense has replaced reality - the land of the conspiraloon is a most disconcerting world in which some of these many supposed "cock-ups" can be more accurately interpreted and placed into their appropriate contexts, and there's little comfort to be gained in that..it is the antiloon who is the dreaming fool here

i'm certain that Stef is completely supportive of your analysis, but as conspiraloons, often we have to encode the true meanings of our work such that the alien horde do not find us a threat and make us into snack treats

quicker than a ray of light indeed - we don't call her maddie 'cos it's quicker than saying madonna

it's because she's lost the plot to a bunch of psychobullshitters

Sonny Bono said...

Madonna? Who says the Devil has all the best tunes?

It's part of a plot to turn minds to mush and make us all wear charity wristbands.

Jordan Maxwell House said...

Here's footage of the leader of world Freemasonry in his sinister lair:

http://youtube.com/watch
?v=PcjnbIF1yAA

The Antagonist said...

J.P.: Thanks for the series of interesting posts. I shall endeavour to respond to some of the points you make as soon as time allows.

Stef said...

@JP Stonehouse

Apologies for not replying in person sooner but commitments to Conspiraloon™ International have kept me away from a keyboard over the last couple of weeks

As it happens, pretty much everything I would have written in reply to your interesting comments has already been said by my fellow loons - which a reassuring sign that the establishment of the Collective Consciousness is still on track for 2012

J.P. Stonehouse said...

Not a problem - I recognised the ironic nature of the Alliance. If I did get a bit 'tetchy' it was only because I felt that one poster was making disparaging remarks simply because he had nothing better to say.

No offence meant and none taken.

I found the discussion very useful and have posted an addendum on my blog. The extra section is available at http://jonathanstonehouse.blogspot.com/2007/11/freemasonry-and-kaballah-common-purpose.html#postscript

If anyone is interested I will shortly be starting a degree by degree dissection of Albert Pike's Morals and Dogamas of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, a work that until 1974 was given to all who received the 14th degree of the Scottish Rite. This will be followed by an examination of its successor, Hutchen's A Bridge to Light.

Masonic light is a kind of night-vision: it illuminates the terrain only for those provided with the equipment to harness it. Those without are left to stumble about and latch onto anything tangible and plausible.

The Antagonist said...

Hi J.P.

No offence meant and none taken.

Likewise. By way of compensating for any offence that may have been caused, and picking up on some of the issues addressed in this comment thread, I offer the following crumbs of appeasement:

1. Madonna's Ray of Light dancers Nazi-saluting at Live Earth on 07/07/07.

2. The Israeli flag in front of which Madonna's Ray of Light dancers were performing their Nazi salutes.

3. A de-ray-of-lighted Madonna beckoning the Israeli flag towards her.

Stef said...

Fuck me

Stef said...

though you can see why so few people grasp the significance of that kind of symbolism

what with it being so subtle and all...

The Antagonist said...

Yeah, yeah. It's only subliminal if you don't notice it, innit.

But you don't want to start noticing these things, or presuming they might be connected, or pulling all the threads together, and then going off and starting to think all Conspiraloon-like, it'll serve you no purpose.

But, just for the sheer fucking hell of it...

....According to the font of all knowledge:

The flag of Israel was adopted on October 28, 1948, five months after the country's establishment. It depicts a blue Star of David on a white background, between two horizontal blue stripes. The blue color is mandated only as "dark sky-blue", and varies from flag to flag, ranging from a hue of pure blue, sometimes shaded almost as dark as navy blue, to hues about 75% toward pure cyan and shades as light as very light blue.

The ceilings in blue lodges are, er, blue.

In his Dimbleby Lecture of 16th November 2005, Sir Ian Blair, out of place, time, and context, uttered the words, "The sky is dark."

But, of course, he meant nothing by it. Unless, of course, as J.P noted, "it illuminates the terrain only for those provided with the equipment to harness it. Those without are left to stumble about and latch onto anything tangible and plausible."

Better a simple lie than a complex truth.

But you don't want to start noticing these things, or presuming they might be connected, or pulling all the threads together, and then going off and starting to think all Conspiraloon-like, it'll serve you no purpose....

paul said...

If I did get a bit 'tetchy' it was only because I felt that one poster was making disparaging remarks simply because he had nothing better to say.

As that was probably me, that was because you started out by completely missing the point of our light hearted but seriously minded little enterprise, and curtly informing us of our need to get 'educated'. Though you suggest that is impossible as we can't rely on the 'great minds' and the vomitus of history. Short of developing time travel or working everything out from first principles, that's all we've got, and we can only try to develop our critical faculties to sort through it.

You are right in that I don't have anything better to say about the self justifying centre of masonic belief because I see little value in it.

Which is not to say others should not. I am very tolerant of the diversity of other's interests.

My only interest is in their effects and mechanisms, looking at it in a religious rather than a secular frame holds absolutely no fascination for me. I believe these flesh and blood characters are firmly focused on the temporal world and how it can be best exploited.

If a little mumbo jumbo ideology helps grease the wheels and soothes the foot soldiers, then they'll use it, and use it skilfully.

The phenomenon of scientology's success is a fact, but poring over the core principles of dianetics doesn't tell you much about the actual racket.

Stef said...

but poring over the core principles of dianetics doesn't tell you much about the actual racket

now he tells me!

/ rips up five years of in-depth research

paul said...

<offers sellotape>Not so fast, you probably have an international bestseller there</offers sellotape>

Shahid said...

Sorry I'm late peeps...

So - the Chatham House Rule...that's the one where nobody in the press ever says anything more than "An American official source" anymore, right?

I'm well up for a chat about religious comparison, but I might have missed the boat on that one.

Going back to the Stonehouse fellow - Freud offered his nephew a cigar, which the latter turned down. What a loser! (The nephew!) Freud retorted: "My boy, smoking is one of the greatest and cheapest enjoyments in life, and if you decide in advance not to smoke, I can only feel sorry for you."

You gotta love that quote.

Ahem.

Going back to religion...

The Allah of the Jews, the Christians and the Muslims is one and the same. Read the scriptures in Arabic and you will see that the word "Allah" is used. (I can go into detail on the word "Allah" some other time and explain why it's a much better word than "God" to describe a Single Being without Peer)

Most Christians today don't follow Christ actually, they follow Paul - the man who introduced the idea of the divinity of Jesus (on whom be peace) to the world.

The Antagonist said...

There must be something in the Yankee water, the Loose Change boys appear to have been bathing in the same Ray of Light as Lady Madonna, just in time for their final cut.

The Neocon plot to bring Conservatism to the world rolls on unabated.

J.P. Stonehouse said...

The Allah of the Jews, the Christians and the Muslims is one and the same. Read the scriptures in Arabic and you will see that the word "Allah" is used. (I can go into detail on the word "Allah" some other time and explain why it's a much better word than "God" to describe a Single Being without Peer). Most Christians today don't follow Christ actually, they follow Paul - the man who introduced the idea of the divinity of Jesus (on whom be peace) to the world.

I wouldn't necessarily disagree with the above. Religion forms such a large part of my argument because of the context, not some fanatical conviction on my own part.

The religious aspect is interesting because it's so representive of the massive levelling that's taking place. Everything has to be brought together and reconciled. Everything has to be embraced, celebrated and appreciated. Yet it's very often impossible to do this without sacrificing one's own beliefs in order to accommodate those of others.

This expectation - it's now a legal requirement so it's already rather more than that - is fundamentally illiberal. The end result is less diversity, rather than the general world-wide touchy-feely celebration of diversity that we're supposed to buy into.

It's totally representative of a new religious creed that fails to see that it's own dogma - that everybody should accept that there is no dogma - is as oppressive as the worst offerings of Christianity and Islam.

Most have heard the term 'secular fundamentalism' many times, but despite the religious analogy have never stopped to consider that there might actually be a religious creed lying behind it. I think there is something behind it, and that the creed in question derives from Kabbalah and Gnosticism, and has been fed into Western society through Freemasonry.

Those who really practice Freemasonry know that it's the modern-day equivalent of the ancient Mystery religions, which believed themselves to be guardians of a higher truth that the masses were not capable of receiving. It's the kind of belief guaranteed to result in a form of sanctimonious elitism: those who 'know best' must poke, cajole, hound and criminalise the masses until they're judged ready to 'receive the light'.

I think that we can't negate God simply by denying his existence. In trying to do so we place ourselves in a dialectic, with Man as thesis and God as antithesis. The synthesis or 'negation of the negation' is Divine Man. This Divine Man - stung by the fact that the manifest failings of the species are his fault and his alone - then goes about setting the world to rights, to correct for himself was God has thus far been unable or unwilling to do.

That, in a nutshell, is the doctrine of Freemasonry. It's 'Adepts' believe in and long for a world similar to that of John Lennon's Imagine (110% pure unadulterated Kabbalah). A world united 'as one'. And now that the only 'divine retribution' they have to fear is that of man himself, it doesn't really matter how many eggs they have to break in order to make the omelette.

These 'breakages' are just sacrifices required for the greater glory of the Divinity.

Shahid said...

Sir - I am sitting here in slack-jawed awe at your excellent comment.

I shall be watching your site with keen interest!

And I had never liked Imagine for its sentiments, but never realised why until you (as The Antagonist always tells me) connected the dots.

Tom said...

http://www.israel21c.org/bin/en.
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"She made a midnight pilgrimage to a Jerusalem cemetery early Sunday, holding a mystical candlelit ceremony at the grave of Ashlag. Following her graveside visit, Madonna went to the Western Wall, Judaism's holiest site.

Led by a rabbi, Madonna and her small entourage recited blessings over food and wine, drank from small plastic cups and circled the raised stone grave, AP reported. Toward the end of the ceremony, a visibly moved Madonna wiped tears from her eyes."

"Madonna - who has adopted the name Esther - has said she is not following some fashion but is truly devoted to Kabbalah. She wears a red thread on her wrist to ward off the evil eye, and has used Hebrew letters and Jewish prayer accessories in her music video clips."

This could be why Christianity is in such a state today, not enough warding off the evil eye. Just look at the Pope. He's riddled with it.

Stef said...

Most Christians today don't follow Christ actually, they follow Paul - the man who introduced the idea of the divinity of Jesus (on whom be peace) to the world.

well quite

Come to think of it, many Evangelical Christians don't even do that and spend most of their time quoting from the Old Testament which, if were a practicing Christian, I would think kind of defeats the entire purpose of Jesus spending a little time with us

The differences between Islam and Christianity are being overplayed and with specific goals in mind. There are differences sure enough but nothing genuinely decent, moral people should wage a Jihad/ Crusade over

OTOH the Talmud has some really quite unpleasant things to say about Jesus ... and his Mum come to think about it

Again, nothing to wage a war over but it's curious how differences between a couple of the major monotheistic, Abrahamic religions get exaggerated and played to death and the rather more fundamental differences with the third get quietly swept under the carpet...

Stef said...

And I had never liked Imagine for its sentiments, but never realised why

An awful lot of people love Imagine and it's not difficult to understand why people are attracted by its sentiments on a very superficial level

Personally I think it's so much crap and a vision of some kind of insipid globalist McWorld that I hope never to see

Hmmmm, global culture... hmmm, everyone thinking the same...

Cultural and philosophical differences between people arn't the problem. Powerful, amoral fuckers with fucked up mental wiring are the problem...

Stef said...

@ant

Love the Loose Change still

I trust those guys even more implicitly than ever before

Where did they get their funding from again? I forget...

The Antagonist said...

Cultural and philosophical differences between people arn't the problem. Powerful, amoral fuckers with fucked up mental wiring are the problem...

And the fact that the working class masses on whose backs those filthy amoral ruling class fuckers with fucked up mental wiring have for too long ridden.

Without us they are nothing and it's time we all fucking realised it, and acted and organised accordingly.