Sunday, 14 November 2010

Parapolitics 101 - Lesson #7777 Tom Lehrer on "conspiracy theory"

"WASHINGTON — A secret history of the United States government’s Nazi-hunting operation concludes that American intelligence officials created a “safe haven” in the United States for Nazis and their collaborators after World War II, and it details decades of clashes, often hidden, with other nations over war criminals here and abroad."

Nazi Paperclip Paperweights Aplenty

"Dr. Josef Mengele, the so-called Angel of Death at Auschwitz, part of whose scalp was kept in a Justice Department official’s drawer;"

"The Justice Department has resisted making the report public since 2006."  You bet it has!

"In chronicling the cases of Nazis who were aided by American intelligence officials, the report cites help that C.I.A. officials provided in 1954 to Otto Von Bolschwing, an associate of Adolf Eichmann who had helped develop the initial plans “to purge Germany of the Jews” and who later worked for the C.I.A. in the United States. In a chain of memos, C.I.A. officials debated what to do if Von Bolschwing were confronted about his past — whether to deny any Nazi affiliation or “explain it away on the basis of extenuating circumstances,” the report said. "

SADS Victim Von Bolschwing

"The Justice Department, after learning of Von Bolschwing’s Nazi ties, sought to deport him in 1981. He died that year at age 72."  Thereby conveniently avoiding all that negative publicity that might have arisen around the deportation proceedings.

Fry Me To the Moon Again (casually  like, just in passing)

"The report also examines the case of Arthur L. Rudolph, a Nazi scientist who ran the Mittelwerk munitions factory. He was brought to the United States in 1945 for his rocket-making expertise under Operation Paperclip, an American program that recruited scientists who had worked in Nazi Germany. (Rudolph has been honored by NAZA and is credited as the father of the Saturn V rocket.)"

Until this exclusive report, nobody knew of the silly conspiracy theory about NAZI/OSS/CIA ties.

"The Justice Department itself sometimes concealed what American officials knew about Nazis in this country, the report found."

That's justice in the land of the free (to work all hours or starve)!

And now for a musical interlude.  More fragments of the full story here at Loon Grand Central, the New York Times.

59 comments:

gyges said...

Just been reflecting upon the demise of State sovereignty.

The State appears to be subordinate to the markets and to international spy agencies. Their only function appears to be autotrophic tax harvesters.

Ernst Stuhlinger said...

Yes, we did work on improved guidance systems, but in late 1944 we were convinced that the war would soon be over before new systems could be used on military rockets. However, we were convinced that somehow our work would find application in the future rockets that would not aim at London, but at the moon

Erich Traub said...

Well, you definitely got as far as London

stef said...

@gyges

I think you're selling the state a little short there, it still has a valuable role to play in enforcement as well as revenue collection

though, admittedly, the state doesn't guard its monopoly on violence as jealously as it once did

stef said...

and people can say what they like about Nazi scientists, those fellas did know how to design a groovy spaceship

madame blavatsky said...

Vril is a substance described in Edward Bulwer-Lytton's 1871 novel The Coming Race, which was later reprinted as Vril: The Power of the Coming Race. The novel is an early example of science fiction. However, many early readers believed that its account of a superior subterranean master race and the energy-form called "Vril" was accurate, to the extent that some theosophists accepted the book as truth. Furthermore, since 1960 there has been a conspiracy theory about a secret Vril Society.

Occult Savoury Extract said...

Bovril is the trademarked name of a thick, salty meat extract, developed in the 1870s by John Lawson Johnston and sold in a distinctive, bulbous jar. It is made in Burton upon Trent, Staffordshire, owned and distributed by Unilever UK.

Bovril can be made into a drink by diluting with hot water, or less commonly with milk.[1] It can also be used as a flavouring for soups, stews or porridge, or spread on bread, especially toast, rather like Marmite.

The first part of the product's name comes from Latin bos (genitive bovis) meaning "ox" or "cow". Johnston took the -vril suffix from Bulwer-Lytton's then-popular 1870 "lost race" novel The Coming Race, whose plot revolves around a powerful energy fluid named "Vril".[2][3]

Anonymous said...

Is Vril the stuff that fruity theosophist Charles W Leadbeater thought he could extract from his penis and the penises of young boys?

I can't believe it's not Vegimite said...

I'll stick with Vegimite.

Edwin Lutyens said...

I'm Edwin Lutyens, "the greatest British architect" and father of Mary Lutyens.

Mary was well acquainted with Krishnamurti and the previous commenter, Charles Leadbeater, as well as many of his young playthings.

I am slightly known for the design of this building which was designed and conceived for Mary and her fruity friends and their little Theosophy club but the fruity-club funds had run dry before completion.

The folks at the fruity club like fruity logos

David Icky said...

Theosophists are cool!!

I get all my best shit from those guys!

stef said...

...as did Hitler

and you've got to admit, as logos go, that's a bit of a slam dunk

stef said...

Godwin's law was just made for Theosophy

The Antagonist said...

^ A definite candidate for Conspiraloon Logo of the Trillenium if ever there was one!

Teutonsuet said...

Of course this is a story to promote the OSI (Office of Special Investigations) of the US Justice Dept. which, curiously enough, has never harassed any post war Communist or Zionist immigrants involved in torturing and murdering detainees and DPs in the German concentration camps they "liberated" and took over (Auschwitz) and in interrogation centers, prisons and gulags throughout Eastern Europe.
The OSI is primarily a ethnocentric bureaucracy that was set up with a handsome budget, salaries and perks to dispense Talmudic justice at US taxpayers expense. Check out the career of OSI head Neal Sher to get a fix on the quality of people involved in
keeping the zombified Nazi threat in the daily news.

stef said...

"keeping the zombified Nazi threat in the daily news."

As a regular viewer of UK Nazi TV Gold aka the History Channel I know that...

1. The Nazi threat is very Real

2. The only reason why the Americans employed those rocket and germ scientists was to stop the Egyptians using them

Anon said...

The fascist faction of the American (and European) elite came together with the Zionist faction at some stage?

- Aangirfan

stef said...

And, as an avid follower of certain on-line personalities I know that...

1. The Nazis devoted a significant proportion of their wartime effort to the building and maintenance of heated swimming pools and loungers

2. The Nazis have been sadly misunderstood and only had everyone's best interests at heart, including the people they invaded, occupied and enslaved

Stef said...

"The fascist faction of the American (and European) elite came together with the Zionist faction at some stage?"

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

Those who would blame 'the Jews' for all the world's ills would have it that the Zionists control the Western elites as well as creating Fascism, and everything would be just fucking peachy if they were erased from the Earth

Personally, I don't think the people who hold these views are doing the 'white race' justice. Our ruling classes have been more than capable of rapacious viciousness all on their own

The British ruling classes, in particular, have been successfully playing this game for a very long time

Though I'm sure they're always open to receiving the occasional tip

Stef said...

@Teutonsuet

btw you forgot this

paul said...

"The fascist faction of the American (and European) elite came together with the Zionist faction at some stage?"

You have to wonder if these terms are more trouble than they are worth these days.

Stef said...

"Germany was closed to relief shipments until December 1945. The given reasons were that they might tend to negate the policy of restricting the German standard of living. CARE package shipments to individuals remained prohibited until 5 June 1946. U.S. troops and their families were also under orders to destroy their own excess food rather than letting German families have access to it.

In 1945 the German Red Cross was dissolved,[57][58] and the International Red Cross and other international relief agencies were kept from helping ethnic Germans through strict controls on supplies and on travel.[59] The few agencies permitted to operate within Germany, such as the indigenous Caritas Verband, were not allowed to use imported supplies. When the Vatican attempted to transmit food supplies from Chile to German infants[60] the U.S. State Department forbade it.[60]

In early October 1945 the UK government privately acknowledged in a cabinet meeting that, German civilian adult death rates had risen to four times the pre-war levels and death rates amongst the German children had risen by 10 times the pre-war levels"


No doubt it was considered 'a price worth paying'

Oskkkar's KKKollars Drum said...

Someone's been at the Icky juice:

the first Nazi spaceships were launched in late 1945 to found the military base Schwarze Sonne – Black Sun – on the dark side of the Moon.

This base was to to be used to build a powerful invasion fleet and return to take over the Earth once the time was right, in this case 2018.

craggy said...

Could someone enlighten me? I'm confused here.

What is the Conspiraloon position (if there is such a thing) on WWII and all that? Some revisionist and heretical talk suggests that the Nazis weren't necessarily the baddies and/or didn't necessarily lose (perhaps they went "underground" into the power structure of the US, USSR, etc). Any views?

What is the connection between WWII and the creation of Israel? Further, is there a high level conspiracy to "immanentize the eschaton" using Israel? Do members of the elite really believe this stuff or is it merely a cover for other activities (geo-politial and money-making, for example) used to help maintain their positions of dominance and rule?

I've often wondered this, especily with regard to Israel. Is it just used as a strategic bridgehead for US/UK balance of power politics in the Middle East and an excuse for a continued military presence in a strategically (ie oil) important region? Or is there more to it...?

Any responses welcome. I love this blog btw. Excellent analysis and debate.

stef said...

dear craggy,

as you so astutely suspect, ever since The Great Disappointment the Alliance has tried to avoid taking positions

The Antagonist said...

The position of not taking positions. Er....

Stef said...

Speaking as individual, however, I must confess to finding the whole World War 2 thing a little stagey to be entirely convincing.

Britain and France, for example, declared war on Nazi Germany for invading Poland but didn't seem to mind when the Soviets did a bit of invading of Poland for themselves

Then, a little later, Nazi Germany declared war on America. A very large country which was safely outside of German striking distance but more than capable of blasting the crap out of Germany courtesy of Airstrip One.

and then there's the Pearl Harbour thing, the Hess thing, the Duke of Kent thing, the Sikorski thing, and many many more 'things'

So, all things considered, I personally suspect that particular conflict was more WWF2 than WW2

The Antagonist said...

Negative capability it is/may be.

eprimetastical.

The Antagonist said...

As long as the peasants keep fighting the peasants so one lot of ruling class fucks can subjugate another group of ruling class fucks and their lot of peasants and resources, everything's going to be just the same as it ever was.

The Antagonist said...

Imperialism in a nutshell, for dummies.

Stef said...

"Some revisionist and heretical talk suggests that the Nazis weren't necessarily the baddies"

There's some awesome revisionist doublethink out there which...

claims that the Nazis genuinely were a bastion of Western Christendom against the Jewish Bolshevik Menace and that Auschwitz was more of a holiday camp than a concentration camp

but then goes on to claim that most of the Nazi leadership, including Adolf himself were closet jews and agents of the global zionist conspiracy they claimed to be fighting

there are one or two teensy weensy internal contradictions within this mythos

Stef said...

"Some revisionist and heretical talk suggests that the Nazis weren't necessarily the baddies" pt2

If anyone is plagued by any such doubts I suggest they go to the horse's mouth, grab a copy of Triumph of the Will, give it a spin and ask themself WTF was going on there

Stef said...

On the subject of immanentizing eschatons, it strikes me that no divine intervention is required for the fulfillment of prophecy if believers take to using prophecy as some kind of mission statement

If evangelical's get their way and see the construction of Temple 3 in Jerusalem, for example, that wouldn't prove that Temple 3 was foretold just that some people followed instructions in some old book

Personally, I think any prophecy that doesn't include some supernantural element, beyond the capabilities of Man, shouldn't count

Stef said...

Of course, the whole Christian prophecy thing is part of a package that isn't particularly Christian

You don't have to expose yourself to much American Evangelical Christianity to realise several things

- there's a lot more emphasis on the Old Testament and the back end of the New Testament than the Gospels
- it's a lot more intolerant and aggressive than Jesus was. You won't be hearing many evangelicals talking about turning the other cheek
- it absolutely sucks Israel's cock

Was American Evangelical Christianity hijacked and corrupted by Zionist interests going way back to the Scofield Bible and beyond?

Possibly

Stef said...

"Do members of the elite really believe this stuff? .. Or is there more to it...?"

If we knew the answers to those questions we'd have everything sussed

I suspect my fellow Loon contributors would argue that it all boils down to the maintenance and expansion of class power and that occult belief systems, fruity little clubs and demented pariah states are just means to an end

but, of course, none of that precludes members of the ruling class genuinely believing and practicing some really fucked up shit

and then, moving a level higher than that, you could start asking if some of the fucked up shit they believe in is in any way true

Negative capability is your friend

craggy said...

Some good stuff there, chaps. Many thanks.

Would you broadly agree that states are used by powerful interests for their own self interest and/or class interests?

Ant, you mentioned imperialism. Why do nations seek empires? Is it merly a case of the powerful individuals within the state's pwer structure wanting to line their own pockets? I've never bought the acting in the "national interest" line.

paul said...

You could certainly view zionism in that light. Rather than fulfilling a particular divine destiny, it was a cover to assume the advantages that a state can bring.
A state can provide a non extraditable bolt jole for friends, work directly with governments, cloak money laundering and even send art students around the world under its documentation.

The Antagonist said...

Craggy: What is the connection between WWII and the creation of Israel?

One connection worth a look is the Lehi Group, along with their founder Avraham Stern.

Craggy: Ant, you mentioned imperialism. Why do nations seek empires?

Lenin nailed this one pretty well with his work:

Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism [PDF]

The Antagonist said...

I suspect my fellow Loon contributors would argue that it all boils down to the maintenance and expansion of class power and that occult belief systems, fruity little clubs and demented pariah states are just means to an end

but, of course, none of that precludes members of the ruling class genuinely believing and practicing some really fucked up shit


Deferring once again to those who have given religion and other fruity belief systems a not inconsiderable amount of thought:

"Man makes religion, religion does not make man.

Religion is, indeed, the self-consciousness and self-esteem of man who has either not yet won through to himself, or has already lost himself again
."

craggy said...

Craggy: "Ant, you mentioned imperialism. Why do nations seek empires?"

Ant: Lenin nailed this one pretty well with his work:

Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism


Thanks for that, Ant. Interesting to one, such as me, unfamiliar with Lenin's work. In sum, the merging of banking and industrial cartels leads to their powerful interests seeking the cheaper labour costs=greater profits offered by foreign lands. It seems all to come down to greed.

craggy said...

On the vexed subject of Israel, what exactly is the nature of the linkage between that state and the USA? At times it seems that Israel is the 51st state of the Union. But are Israel's and the USA's interests really the same? Sometimes they seem to be proxies for each other. But in reality is one primarly manipulating the other? And if so which one?

I have generally taken the view that US interests are in the driving seat; that, as the ostensible global Alpa-male, they have been manipulating Israel for their own ends, such as justifying continued military presence in the region to look after their capital (oil etc) and help maintain the permanent war economy, etc).

As a aside I'm interested in this theory not in terms of serving the mythical "nationl interest" (it clearly does not benefit the "nation" to create expensive things that serve no useful purpose and throw them at foreign lands) but as a method of continuing state control (as well as profiteering etc):"The primary aim of modern warfare is to use up the products of the spectacular machine without raising the general standard of living."

But sometimes my mind flip-flops and it seems the US power structure has been infiltrated by Zionists and is really being used to further their agenda (what is that exactly?).

Perhaps they could both be true? How would that work? What would tht model look like?

Any thoughts?

craggy said...

Now with working links. Hopefully. (Apologies.)

On the vexed subject of Israel, what exactly is the nature of the linkage between that state and the USA? At times it seems that Israel is the 51st state of the Union. But are Israel's and the USA's interests really the same? Sometimes they seem to be proxies for each other. But in reality is one primarily manipulating the other? And if so which one?

I have generally taken the view that US interests are in the driving seat; that, as the ostensible global Alpa-male, they have been manipulating Israel for their own ends, such as justifying continued military presence in the region to look after their capital (oil etc) and help maintain the permanent war economy, etc).

Incidentally, I'm interested in permanent war theory not in terms of serving the mythical "national interest". It clearly does not benefit the "nation" to create expensive things, that serve no useful purpose, and throw them at foreign lands. But it may be used as a method of justifying and continuing state control (as well as enabling profiteering, etc):"The primary aim of modern warfare is to use up the products of the spectacular machine without raising the general standard of living."

But sometimes my mind flip-flops and it seems the US power structure has been infiltrated by Zionists and is really being used to further their agenda (what is that exactly?).

Perhaps they could both be true? How would that work? What would tht model look like?

Any thoughts?

fishnose said...

i smell fish

stef said...

I'm always smelling fish

stef said...

One of the other myths that revisonist-type loons hold onto is that the USofA was a super-fluffy, cuddly wee entity before the zionists stuck their claws into it

Personally I don't buy that. As Smedder's once said...

"I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents."

stef said...

As far as I can tell America always was run for ther benefit of its plutocrats and the only reason why it didn't engage in more overseas entanglements in the 19th century was that it was pre-occupied with consolidating its own interior and slicing off bits of Mexico

Once that was out of the way, the game was afoot

I see absolutely no reason, or historical precedent, to believe that the America would not be pursuing murderous empire if the state of Israel did not exist

stef said...

"But sometimes my mind flip-flops and it seems the US power structure has been infiltrated by Zionists and is really being used to further their agenda"

And the agendas of the not explicitly Zionist and explicitly Zionist plutocrats conflict in what way exactly?

It strikes me that the people who think this way believe that there are good (America first!) plutocrats and bad (Israel first!) plutocrats.

Personally, I don't see much practical difference between them

craggy said...

Good points, stef. I'm pretty sure there are no good plutocrats. :)

Like you all, I'm just trying to guess at the composition and agenda of the PTB.

You're right about the USA pre-WWI, it was no saint. Just ask the people of Cuba, the Philippines, Guam, etc. Michael Parenti is good on this.

stef said...

"Good points, stef. I'm pretty sure there are no good plutocrats. :)"

with the obvious exceptions of warm-hearted philanthropists such as Bill Gates, George Soros and David Rockefelcher, obviously

stef said...

Why is it whenever I hear the word philanthropist I feel the urge to go looking for a pitchfork?

stef said...

"Michael Parenti is good on this"

I think we can go back a little further...

Michael Parenti -- The Myth of the Founding Fathers 1/3

One of my personal favourite highlights of American myth making is the Alamo legend. A handful of principled heroes fighting to the death to protect their right to own slaves and steal bits of Mexico

michael parenti audio party said...

for your next Michael Parenti audio party

herr doktor nik said...

does mr parenti have any talks on the lunar planting schedules used in the sun-kissed allotment at buchenwald?

paul said...

No, he steers people away from this by distracting them with talk about imperialism, class power and all that shit.
Total,complete gatekeeper

The Antagonist said...

David Icke's New Old Bullshit.

Loontastic.

The Antagonist said...

What we really need is a load of people with their tales of fallen races, crop circles and bastardised eastern 'mysticism' flogging lightly veiled ariosophic 'love your oppressor' wank.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

"Madame Blavatsky's first book, Isis Unveiled (1877), was less an outline of her new religion than a rambling tirade against the rationalist and materialistic culture of modern Western civilization. Her use of traditional esoteric sources to discredit present-day beliefs showed clearly how much she hankered after ancient religious truths in defiance of contemporary agnosticism and modern science. In this enterprise she drew upon a range of secondary sources treating of pagan mythology and mystery religions, Gnosticism, the Henetica, and the arcane lore of the Renaissance scholars, the Rosicrucians and other secret fraternities. W. E. Coleman has shown that her work comprises a sustained and frequent plagiarism of about one hundred contemporary texts, chiefly relating to ancient and exotic religions, demonology, Freemasonry and the case for spiritualism."

The Antagonist said...

One of the earlier messiahs to roll along, but who never featured in the now sadly defunct Messiah Top Ten.

Whether he was a plagiarist, or just another victim of Charles Webster Leadbeater, can be determined with an educated guess.

EXCLUSIVE STORY HERE!!!

The Antagonist said...

Or fall straight down the intergalactic pan-dimensional rabbithole instead.

The Antagonist said...

Planting by the Moon, in seed form. Written, of course, by someone else.

A long occult traditition of plagiarism.

And Sevens.